Friday, May 20, 2016

The "Flat Earth" Movement Gains Ground



It’s the ultimate conspiracy, involving all governments, their space programs, the entire scientific community, as well as the airlines. Other minor co-conspirators include GPS manufacturers and cartographers.

The secret, according to some die- hards, is out and the truth is gaining momentum. And once you go down this rabbit hole, you may never see light of day again.

The earth, you see, is flat. Or so asserts the Flat Earth Society, whose website features “evidence” galore, including videos of the moon landing which the proponents of this theory assert are photoshopped, denial of the existence of gravity and claims that star trail photography provides the final nail in the coffin for the “unsupportable claim” that the earth is a globe.

In the third century B.C., Eratosthenes first provided mathematic proof that the earth was spherical, as well as calculating its circumference.  It was not until the 1600s, when Galileo made his startling assertions that the Earth indeed revolved around the Sun, rather than the geo-centric model, that the general perception of man’s place in the cosmos began to assume its actual dimension. Galileo, as we recall, was imprisoned for heresy for his work on this issue.

The Flat Earthers got their first head of steam with the publications of Samuel Rowbotham (1816-1884), who is generally viewed as the founder of the modern Flat Earth movement.  Rowbotham was a nineteenth century inventor and writer, whose experiments are reproduced on the Flat Earth Society website. He authored Zetetic Astronomy: Earth Not a Globe (1st ed. 1849, 2nd 1869, 3rd 1881), which is considered the seminal work on the subject.

Rowbotham’s ideas saw a revival with Charles K. Johnson, head of the Christian Apostolic Church in Lancaster, California, who employed Biblical passages as providing evidence of the flat earth. More recently, the flat earth has seen a revival among conspiracy buffs. The current head of the Flat Earth Society is an Englishman named Daniel Shenton.  Internet icon Tila Tequila and rapper B.o.B endorse flat earth beliefs.

The Flat Earth Society lists 554 official members as of 2014. The Flat Earth Society Facebook page has over 21,000 likes.

Essentially, this is what Flat Earthers believe:
1)      That the earth is a flat plain centered at the North Pole and enclosed by a 150 ft. ice wall, which we call Antarctica.  
2)      That the sun and moon are only about three thousand miles above earth. 
3)      That the earth may be enclosed by a transparent dome. 
4)      That the sun and moon revolve above the flat earth.  
5)      That eclipses are explained by the existence of an “anti-moon. 
6)      That gravity (which is known to create spherical objects) does not exist and what has been mistaken for gravity is actually the continuous acceleration (up to a rate of 32 ft. per second) of the flat earth. 
7)      That a force simply called “dark energy” is providing the accelerations. 
Some Flat Earthers assert that the plain beyond the ice wall is endless.
Diana, who received her college degree in liberal arts at a West Coast State University and works in a bookstore, is a Flat Earther. “It just doesn’t fit with my perceptions,” she asserted concerning the concept that the earth is a globe. “I don’t see that. I go with what I see and perceive.”


According to University of Minnesota McKnight Professor Emeritus Jim Fetzer, despite a plethora of YouTube videos, the Flat Earthers have failed to substantiate their claim. According to Fetzer, there may in fact be a conspiracy behind the “flat earth” movement.

Fetzer, who studied philosophy at Princeton University and earned his PhD in the History and the Philosophy of Science, sees the emergence of the Flat Earth movement at this juncture in time as “most peculiar.”
“They are trying to bamboozle people,” declared Fetzer in a recent interview. “They are cleverly taking advantage of the fact that Americans are not well grounded in science.”  
“If you can get the members of truth groups divided over an issue, you can create internal dissent which will devalue the issue they may be formed to consider, like 911 truth, like JFK truth,” stated Fetzer.
Fetzer raised concerns that the hidden hand of propagandist Cass Sunstein might be at play here. Sunstein is a legal scholar and college professor who for a couple of years was Administrator of the White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs in the Obama administration. In a 2008 paper, entitled “Conspiracy Theories,”  which he co-authored with Adrian Vermeule, the authors openly proposed a program for government infiltration of truth groups (Sunstein called them “conspiracy theory groups”) for the purpose of sabotaging their efforts.

According to the authors: "The existence of both domestic and foreign conspiracy theories, we suggest, is no trivial matter, posing real risks to the government’s antiterrorism policies, whatever the latter may be." After considering various alternatives, the authors propose that "the best response consists in cognitive infiltration of extremist groups."  The article repeatedly describes such groups as those who believe the US government had a hand in the events of September 11.

Some recent activity on a conspiracy oriented Facebook group raises the red flag that Sunstein’s suggestions may have been acted upon. A rather modest post, suggesting that the time span between the attacks of September 11 and the subsequent media pronouncement that the perpetrator was Bin Laden was suspicious, given how quickly this determination was made--in light of the time it takes for a federal investigation to take place--was met with an onslaught of verbal abuse. One respondent suggested that the author of that post needed a “strait jacket.” Others joined in calling the poster a “moron” and stated falsely that no evidence was provided.


The Real Deal Ep #136 included a debate on whether Earth is flat

However, if, as Fetzer has suggested, the Flat Earth movement is a “government op,” this would take the most dedicated efforts of those in federal employ to discredit alternative groups to quite another level. Fetzer has called the Flat Earth movement “An elaborate form of sowing dissension” which may result in fracturing existing truth oriented groups into an argument from which the integrity and purpose of the group may not recover. 

According to Flat Earthers, the actual motive of this enormous conspiracy to promote the globe earth is somewhat murky. But Diana made a statement that fits well with certain social and New Age trends when she said, “It’s about keeping from us who we are. They don’t want us to know who we are.”

Maybe that’s true. Maybe we are so gullible and ill-informed that we would be an embarrassment to ourselves if we actually knew it. Although that’s not what I think she meant.

Editor's note: The "flat Earth" movement appears to share many beliefs with Creation Scientists and may be inspired, not by government agencies, but by those who accept a literal interpretation of the Bible, instead. 

171 comments:

  1. Hello:
    You can find quick info graphics on flat earth here://whotfetw.com/blog/ are you on twitter or youtube? Thats where themost flatness is, we are not government and this brings down nasa, its the jesuits and mason globalists and first and foremost are trying to hide God. Has endtimes implications, grand delusion , babylon, rome, fake space, nasa liars on and on, you are open minded research it , for yourself

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    1. OK, "anonymous" I took your bait and went to whotfetw.com. It is "under construction" and trying to click on "FE Basics" or "FE for Kids" did not get anywhere.
      So I did my research, and the website is as flat as the foreheads of idiots who believe this absurdity.

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  2. Why is Fetzer giving "Flat Earth" idiots a platform?

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  3. Because their arguments are tricky and it is better to hear their arguments so you know who and what you are dealing with.

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  4. Idiots deserve no platform and not 1 iota of anyone's attention! (anyone with a functioning brain, that is!)

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    1. Hi Godsend, nice to have you join the conversation. You seem a bright fellow.
      I wonder, since I know you have a biblical world view, whether your refutation of flat earthers might carry more weight? On my show, Michael J's assertion of it's "truth" was alleged by him to be supported by the "heavens are in the firmament" part of scripture.
      Your take might be interesting.

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    2. Science reveals truth (laws) only in the physical dimension in which we exist. The Bible also reveals truth of higher, spiritual dimensions and these truths supersede but do not contradict scientific truth. The ultimate truth is Christ: "I am the Way, the Life and the Truth." Scientific truth does not invalidate spiritual truth and vice versa. To a correctly functioning mind, science proves that the Earth is not flat! And obviously, the entire Bible cannot (and is not meant to) be taken literally. Jesus often spoke in parables and the Bible is full of spiritual truths and symbolic meaning. The biblical reference to God as "Father", for example, is certainly symbolic and does not mean that God has a male gender. God is Love, Light, Spirit and Holy (biblical definitions) and He has the attributes/role which we typically associate with an earthly father. In other words, God does not run around in a jock strap!

      Would anyone in their right mind bother to refute someone's claim that the moon is made of Swiss cheese?!

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    3. "Flat Earth"ers are in the same category as people who believe that 911 was done by 19 crazed Saudi Arabs who crashed airliners into the WTC, the Pentagon and at Shanksville, PA and that children were actually murdered at the Sandy Hook school. The denial of scientific evidence is idiotic!

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    4. Wonderful thoughts, Godsend. I do agree, with Stephen's comment below being especially cogent.
      I hope we can continue to have more good conversations and share ideas.
      How about this question, you say that "the denial of scientific evidence is idiotic," something we agree completely on.
      But what, to you, constitutes "scientific evidence?" If you are speaking about a historical event that occurred, do credible, credentialed witness accounts constitute evidence of that sort?
      If not, what does? Especially regarding historical or public events.
      Sincerely,
      AA

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    5. "But what, to you, constitutes "scientific evidence?" If you are speaking about a historical event that occurred, do credible, credentialed witness accounts constitute evidence of that sort?
      If not, what does? Especially regarding historical or public events."

      911 was a historical event but the testimoany of "credible" (to whom?) credentialed (what credentials?) ey witnesses does NOT constitute sufficient evidence. I refer you to Jim Fetzer's scientific evidence that NO PLANES CRASHED on 911. Sometimes, enough circumstantial evidence is sufficient to make a case and scientific evidence in the formal sense is not necessary. Occasionally, all that is needed is common sense and/or innocence ("The Emperor's New Clothes" - only correctly identified by an innocent child).

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    7. Agreed, Godsend. "Credible (to whom) and credentialed (what credentials)" One must evaluate those factors with each "witness." I don't have to get the resume of a 911 firefighter when I watch him tell me he saw explosions. But I do want to know everything about an Appollo astronaut who says that we are being visited from other worlds.
      For you, or anyone, NOT to have examined the credentials of the 500 high level witnesses of the Disclosure Project and at least listened to what they have to say, is to ignore some of the best evidence and best hope for mankind.
      The lizard alien thing is a psy op, just like the flat earth, and we know you are smart enough to evaluate for yourself, rather than just dismiss it because of your belief in a book written by a bunch of men in the dark ages that were interested only in power and booty, just like today.
      Nice talking...

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    9. Godsend. You have lost the privilege of posting links or references to your blogs or websites.
      It is good to have you joining the conversation, but please continue to stay on topic, and do not behave like someone who wants clicks on their websites.
      You have been doing well, and contributing. Please stay on track.

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    10. Godsend for PETE'S SAKE!
      I keep trying to respond to you as if you are a reasonable person, and you keep ignoring everything I say! You just rant about your same old reptilian alien stuff, and I ask you to look in to and refute, IF YOU CAN, the amazing work of Dr, Greer and Sirius Disclosure, what used to be the Disclosure Project.
      ONE LAST TIME and then I am done with you...
      Dr. Greer says the reptilian thing is a psy op to support the military industrial complex.
      Listen to his exposes, I will link the below, and then...
      RESPOND AS IF YOU ACTUALLY LISTENED TO WHAT HE AND HIS 500 HIGH LEVEL WITNESSES HAD TO SAY.
      Can you do that? Or are you not real? Just a click whore who sits in his basement commenting on the hundred blogs left that still allow your click bait?
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2gStUeYh7c
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHxGQjirV-c

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    11. Moderator: You have deleted my entire comment which did NOT contain a link to any of my websites! Montalk is NOT my website! You are obviously CENSORING what you, Fetzer and AA do not like!

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    12. AA: William Pawelec is part of the Disclosure project and the MOST credible witness. His interview has been watched by more than any of the other participants, and for good reason. Like I said MANY times here before: there is a TON of evidence (scientific and otherwise) that the ALIEN AGENDA is MALEVOLENT! STUDY ALL the evidence!!! The "Galactic Family" BS is the psy-op, designed to conceal the true origin and EVIL nature of the ALIENS, WALKING AMONG US!!!

      Like I said before, you are most likely one of THEM! (like Jeffrey Lash).

      It makes absolutely no difference to me how many clicks I get on my blogs. I don't count them!

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    19. Godsend. It takes a great deal more time to delete your posts individually. I did it this time to show how much work you are.
      We wish for this comment section to be welcoming and interesting.
      You are now limited to two, on topic comments per post. This constant hijacking and ranting has no place in a reasonable debate. You notice I did not delete all your comments so people could see what they were missing.

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    20. See Rudolf Steiner on science.

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  5. I don't know why Fetzer won't debate them one-on-one if they are so far off base? Last time he had one on he didn't even let the flat earther stay around for Jim's segment in order to respond!

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    1. Typical mo for Fetzer.

      He's a rabble rousing "parrot" parading around as a critical thinker. A divisive sort who can'seem to get to the bottom of anything ... just stir up trouble and bad feelings among others with tangential bs.

      Artillery officer? I thought he was in charge of the rifle range. True to his mo, eh fetzer?

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    2. Let's be fair here - Fetzer has done a great job in exposing the 911 False-Flag and several "mass shooting" HOAXES, proving beyond all reasonable doubt that our Federal Gov't and several of its Agencies as well as several State Agencies (CT, CO, VA, CA, etc.) are involved in covering up a sinister AGENDA! Edward Snowden, a great American HERO and patriot, revealed (among many other inconvenient truths) that there is an ALIEN AGENDA behind all these events (and others). This fact cannot be comprehended by Fetzer's narrowly focused scientific mind. He rambles on endlessly about his (very important) discoveries but is unable to connect the dots and therefore misses the BIG PICTURE and EXISTENTIAL THREAT to America and to Humanity! It's sorta like "fiddling while Rome burns"!

      His AA "angelic" sidekick and cheerleader (of questionable gender) steers Fetzer and everyone else away from the horrible truth about the ALIEN AGENDA, even though the incontrovertible and compelling evidence is all around us and readily available on the Web. Professor David M. Jacobs has exposed the ALIEN AGENDA in his book: "WALKING AMONG US". Both Fetzer and AA IGNORE this horrible truth, probably for different reasons. My take is that AA is one of THEM - like Jeffrey Lash.

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    3. It's not out of the question that AA is actually Fetzer's ALIEN (mind) CONTROLLER, planted in Fetzer's backyard and frontal lobes!

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    5. AA, I think you might agree with me that this comment was over the top. If you really want it returned, I suggest you think about it. Meanwhile, I will demonstrate that I have no prejudice in my desire for this blog to remain civil. Your incivility did tend to have some humor in it, I must admit.

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    6. See Emma Woods on David Jacobs.

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  6. The so-called 'theory', defies the laws of physics!

    So I suppose that when there is a shot of the astronauts working on the space station, the inadvertent vista of a spherical earth in the back ground was meticulously photo-shopped rather than to prove by those incidental objects, the existence of a 'spherical' universe?

    Fascinating isn't it! What a hideous little scam the Illuminati/cabal has perpetrated, just to see what bilge the 'useless eaters' will swallow!

    It's an atrocious joke and I just hope that one day soon, the 'joke' will be on them!

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    1. Nice to see you here, Melisand.
      Jim's blog is a good place for smart people.

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    2. Thank you, ActivistAngel, it's nice to be here too! What a relief to read intelligent, rational thoughts and ideas on a blog for a change; there aren't too many of them these days. Janet suggested I post my comments here, so it is thanks to her that I found Jim' blog.

      I've known Janet for several years now, and I think she's a phenomenal person!

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    3. Melisand... Tell Janet thank you, and I hope she joins us here. We have a good moderator now, and extraneous or self aggrandizing comments are not allowed.
      It makes it a really fun place to share ideas.
      All the best,
      Activist Angel

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    4. I shall do just that, A-Angel! Janet mentioned last week that she was off to South America...Let's all wish her well, and safe journey!

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    5. I wonder where in South America? Every country has some fascinating stuff going on.... Brazil? Peru? I wish her a safe journey as well. Perhaps we can find a way to hear about her adventures.
      It's easy to do a travel blog these days... that would be fun to see.
      Chance George has put together a playlist of my shows, might as well post them.
      Had a great show with Kevin Barrett that airs on June 2.
      https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLsfS5KpYMzb3zikKCunHx8PhkOItOlZMW

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  7. I agree with Melisand that this ought to be a joke, and with Godsend that we shouldn't give them a platform, but this is much bigger and perhaps more sinister than most imagine.
    I was in the middle of a show with Scott Bennett when his buddy Michael J. piped in with this "theory." My producer caught a great moment of me with my head in my hands when he cut back to me for a moment. Chance George and I have a great laugh over that.
    This is almost certainly a sophisticated psy-op designed to confuse already confused "bible people" and divide the real truth movements.
    Scott Bennett didn't refute it either! I think he believes!!!!

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    1. Part 1 Of 2:
      Hello, ACTIVIST ANGEL! Remember me? First of all, I owe you an apology. We were in the midst of an interesting discussion in the comment section of an older post at this blog when I suddenly disappeared.

      I'm afraid I've been really busy with 101 things. There's been work (to keep the lights on, the music playing, and my computer running), maintaining my own blog, trying to help a friend break free of a bad drug addiction, and still trying to complete the story of my Spiritual development (and how my eyes were supernaturally opened to demonic deception), which a good friend asked me to write for her YEARS AGO!

      So, I'm a lousy Internet dialogue partner at the moment. But I wanted you to know that I've watched perhaps four of your cable TV shows on YouTube. Very interesting. I don't always agree with what's said, but I agree wholeheartedly with some of it and have found it worth watching.

      In fact, I would be very interested in watching the one you referred to with the following comment:

      >>... I was in the middle of a show with Scott Bennett when his buddy Michael J. piped in with this "theory."

      Would you be so kind as to paste the URL here?

      In down times, I have mentally formulated the response to your earlier question for me regarding my beliefs on UFOs, "extraterrestrials", etc. Are you still interested in that?

      I read this post and the comments and was inspired to jump in here while I have a bit of free time and a cup of coffee.

      I have not spent any time looking into this Flat Earth Theory and probably won't bother as I know enough already to convince me that this is just silliness. Although no doubt silliness with a diabolical purpose - not just a bunch of stupid, gullible people.

      Continued Below...

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      I'll be the first to acknowledge that there may be a deeper, more profound purpose behind promulgating this Flat Earth Theory than what I'm about to propose. But I know for sure that what I'm going to write is at least a part of it, as this aligns perfectly with what has been ongoing since at least the JFK assassination...

      I first began learning about various "conspiracy theories" in about 1990. The most basic and important one was confirmed for me in 1994 by an informed "insider" of sorts. I have 22 years of serious study behind me now, so I'm no neophyte and I'm not one who can be bamboozled and intimidated by even the most accomplished Uncle Scam agents on the Internet.

      I would say that the first purpose of the Flat Earth Theory is - regardless of what "ancillary" purposes there may be - is to serve as disinformation to make all of us "conspiracy theorists" look ridiculous in the eyes of those "reasonable non-tinfoil-hat-wearing mainstream people" out there. It's really just an overall discrediting device:

      Uncle Scam's agents have been doing this since at least JFK. They muddy the water with so much preposterous B.S. that nonbelievers just mentally lump ALL conspiracy-believers into the same "nutty, padded cell" category. It's easier for them to just assume WE'RE ALL NUTS, and EVERYTHING WE BELIEVE IS FALSE.

      Because it takes a lot of work and time to sort through it all and determine (but not too hastily) which things are true and which things were disinformation meant to discredit "the whole ball of wax".

      For example, if Uncle Scam can propagandize many people into accepting that "conspiracy theorists believe that the Federal Reserve is a private monopoly owned by International Bankers who intend to rule the entire Earth AND that conspiracy theorists believe the Earth is flat", then the average, "reasonable" person will conclude that all conspiracy theorists are crazy because they believe in crazy theories.

      That average, "reasonable" person will not consider the possibility that the information about the Federal Reserve is entirely true, while the Flat Earth idea is nonsense. He/she will just lump it all together - like Uncle Scam wants them to - and thus never take the time to investigate ANY OF THE TRUTHS that some "conspiracy theorists" are trying to educate them about.

      You probably already know all this, as it's standard operating disinformation methodology that the evil government has been employing to good effect for many decades.

      Again, I apologize for dropping the ball on our earlier discussion.

      ~ D-FensDogG
      'Loyal American Underground'

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    3. Hi Stephen, here is that show:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSkY-tkPaUc

      And my latest with Jim Fetzer on the election (last week) is here:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3cqQbGBKNI

      Will respond further to your message, have to get to pickleball.
      Welcome back, thanks for the nod on the shows!

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    4. OK, Stephen, I'm back. Pickleball was great, and Don Grahn is a kick ass player (producer of the shows I posted)
      Great to hear from you again. No worries on being busy, same for me. Your take on the reasons for flat earth, in my opinion, is totally spot on. It's a very effective tool of disinformation, false leads and infiltration.
      I might hope to get us all to change our nomenclature, as it is so important. The "government" or "uncle sam" is not bad in and of itself. It has been hijacked by corporate and bankster terrorists... who want us to drown it in a bathtub...unquote. Our founders designed the constitution to protect us from monopolistic giant powers like corporations that take over or work in cahoots with monarchies (East India Tea company).
      If a TV pundit carjacks your Mercedes and then runs over a bunch of people, you don't let him go on his TV show and rant that it's all the fault of the Mercedes... we need to shrink Mercedes until they can be drowned in a bathtub (remember Grover Norquist?).
      Many of the ordinary sheeple will get out signs that say, "Down with Mercedes! Car companies are evil!" but it is up to us sheepdogs to straighten out the record. We don't resent the sheeple for being stupid and gullible, we bark at the butchers in shepherds clothing. Sheeple are meant to be fleeced, but not slaughtered. (Did I take that metaphor too far? Metafar?)
      Many people swore oaths, fought, died or were maimed and scarred to protect and defend that constitution.
      It is not "Uncle Sam" doing all this evil, it is the banks and corporations that Jefferson warned us were more dangerous than standing armies, using Orwell's 1984 as a f*cking instruction manual.
      There's my two cents on your great comment.
      Hope to hear more from you and that you comment on the shows as well.

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    5. Dan, I think you are on the right track. I recall an event at which Barack Obama (who was in fact born in Kenya) alluded to those who were wary of other of his moves as "believers in a flat Earth", which leads me to suspect you are right.

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    6. MR. FETZER ~
      I recall that Barack Obama remark as well. And yep, that's a perfect example! By calling them "believers in a flat Earth" he was implying that they're all loons. In other words, "Don't investigate these stories they're telling about me or you're as loony as a Flat Earther". Lump 'em all together and discourage serious consideration because, after all, who wants to be ridiculed as being "Flat Earth Crazy"?

      That doesn't work on me, because I've already been called many derogatory things in public for speaking about controversial truths. Any fear or apprehension I may have once had about being publicly ridiculed is ancient history. Plus, I always give back better'n I get. They rarely mess with me more'n once. Ha!-Ha!

      ~ D-FensDogG
      'Loyal American Underground'

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    7. Part 1 Of 2:

      A2 ~
      Hey, thanks so much for the URLs. I did go and watch both programs in their entirety. You with your head down during the Flat Earth rant was priceless!

      Now, I simply MUST ASK: What the heck is PICKLEBALL?! I grew up in a very, very sports-oriented family. (In fact, my Sister was the very first girl I ever heard of, anywhere, playing on a boy's Little League baseball team. Obviously many decades ago.) But I have never heard of PICKLEBALL?

      When I was a boy we used to play a 3-person baseball-themed game we called "Pickle", but I'm sure that's not what your PICKLEBALL is.

      I hear what you're saying about the nomenclature and referring to the "government" as evil, etc. But to be honest, I don't feel it's worth putting much effort into attempting to alter the word.

      For one thing, we'd need to find a good replacement word that all could agree on. Pseudo-government? Government Usurpers? That's all kinda clumsy, kinda unwieldy.

      I know that Jefferson said that anything done in contradiction to the Constitution is not legal. It merely has the color of law but is not really law and should be ignored.

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      And I feel this falls into the same sort of category. If what is posing today as our government is not legally a real American government (and it's not) but 97% of the Americonned Sheeple THINK it is, then it might as well be called "the government". The work it would take getting people to understand that it's really a pseudo-government is time we could spend attempting to transform it, alter it, overrule it.

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      But also (don't hate me for saying this, but...) I'm not coming at all of this from an angle most people are. I am convinced that America cannot be saved at this point. (If Trump gets elected, he may be able to buy the country a little more time, but neither he nor anyone else can save it now.) I am a firm Bible believer, and the Biblical timeline is very nearly completed at this point. And there is no United States of America in Biblical prophecy. There may be one allusion to it in Revelation, but if that IS America it's referring to, she is utterly destroyed.

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      When I first learned about the Illuminati, the NWO, etc., I was frantic to warn the people and try to save our country. But as my Spirituality matured, so did my understanding of how the political scene all fits into the Biblical narrative. That's when I calmed down and simply tried to help some people recognize the Truth so they would be inspired to "get right with God" while they still had time.

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